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    What is metal?

    with so many tags floating around to describe metal, it can be a little confusing. what do YOU consider metal?

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    You can take all of the posts on this forum over the last year,put them together and you still wouldn't have enough to completely describe metal. Good luck my friend.
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    It's a genre of music, a culture and for some people, far more.
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    its hard to say what makes something metal and something else not metal, with every "rule" you have for making something metal, there will be a metal band who breaks it. you could say it has to be aggresive but then you'll have bands like Earth or Sunn O))) who arent aggresive but still metal. you could say it isnt happy but then you'll have power metal bands doing the happiest metal you could imagine. its funny though isnt it, with all this ambiguity, i think its pretty easy to tell whether something is metal or not
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    yeah, right Pel, but isn't it more fun to actually describe it?

    I'll start:
    Genrewise - anything related to music between white noise and the sickest, vilest black or death metal, from jin&yang-happy tunes to the most depressing images on any given media (tape, instrument, vinyl, digital, etc),
    Energy - also not too easy to describe. I can get goosebumps with an Anathema intro or blasting Cannibal Corpse as loud as my body can stand. Musical energy is usually powerfull, whether it's silent or bashing
    People - could be anyone; male, female, 'not certain'. MRU-members (and the ones to be) and metal heads can be found amongst musicians, clerks, firemen and arsonists, cooks and eaters, football players and sloths, municipal workers, actors, of any belief: christians like The Fraterno Metallo, atheists, agnostics, jews, muslim, satanist, buddhist
    Sound - Kerrangg!! (thank you Lemmy)
    Volume - nuff said
    Intonation - whispers and screams, gore lyrics, grunts, heavenly female voices, raspy thrash voices

    All of the above AND none of the above. Metal is life. Metal is energy. Metal is (meeting) people. Metal Worldwide
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    now we're getting somewhere.

    metal for me starts with the guitar: it has to be the crunchiest of the crunchy. bass: a wide, low end is necessary - and it should hit you in the gut like an MMA fighter... lyrics can be spoken, whispered or ring in your ears, but the quality is the most important (cookie monsters need not apply). drums - well, we all know that the guy who hangs out with musicians is the drummer but tasteful double kick with a tall, fat snare and lots of loose cymbals. we all know metal started with ozzy and company, but it has certainly evolved over the years. even bands who started as thrash have evolved their sound to be more 'mainstream' metal.

    of course, this is just my opinion. this is really what i want from you guys.

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    Since Mr.All Bass was not around way back when I posted my rules for metal, I will bring them back here.
    Remember these are just my personal rules, there are many exceptions.

    1. NO Ballads
    2. No wimpy singers (Winger)
    3. No Keyboards
    4. No pink clothing
    5. No playing of air guitar
    6. Guitars rule, Singer shall not be more important than the guitars
    7. Drum solos no longer than 30 seconds
    8. No audience participation at concerts.
    9. No acoustic guitars
    10. Guitars Bass Drums = Metal
    Oh I almost forgot No chanting things that aren't words like AY Ay Ay Yeah
    or Who oh oh oho.
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    Stach,
    Your rules are fine 'cept for No. 1 and especially No. 8.

    My metal has to be organic, meaning not to much distortion, effects, too polished sound of recordings. It is hard to describe what it NEEDS to be, but it has to be from the heart, not aimed at Billboard charts and Kerrang! reviews. In case of doubt, refer to any Motorhead or Darkthrone album for guidance.

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    Rule No. 3 should be rule No. 1.

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    Well, objectively metal doesn't "exist" in the same way that good and bad don't actually "exist". I stopped worrying about it once I realized that every 5 years another new sound comes along that doesn't sound a thing like the other. When Stratovarius and Anal Blasphemy can be grouped in the same genre, I stop worrying about it personally.
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    I disagree with stach's rules. IMO, thrash is THE metal genre, and it DEFIANTLY has ballads. Besides, weather you like it or not, glam is a form of metal and it violates MANY of those rules. herrieman's definition is epic...like to the point where (if it wasn't so long), I'd make it my sig, or post it on FB!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moloc View Post
    Rule No. 3 should be rule No. 1.
    That depends on how keyboards are used. Take black/ambient metal for instance, I can't imagine it without keys creating background creepiness. It's been a long time since keyboards and metal AND balls do not exclude one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by resevil239 View Post
    herrieman's definition is epic...like to the point where (if it wasn't so long), I'd make it my sig, or post it on FB!
    This was only a small taste of what I wanted to state
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    this is why i don't have any of those rules. people argue about them despite the fact that you say that they are just personal rules with exceptions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marsallah View Post
    That depends on how keyboards are used. Take black/ambient metal for instance, I can't imagine it without keys creating background creepiness. It's been a long time since keyboards and metal AND balls do not exclude one another.
    A lot of good bands would be 10x better if they just eliminated their keyboards: Type O Negative, Emperor, etc. I think keys shrink metal balls instead of bolstering them. But that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by About2Crash View Post
    this is why i don't have any of those rules. people argue about them despite the fact that you say that they are just personal rules with exceptions.
    That is exactly it Crash.
    Those are my rules.
    There are exceptions and nobody has to agree with the rules.
    The only reason I posted was the question was asked so That was my answer.
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    that's the thing about opinions... they can't be argued like facts. just give your opinion and move on. kthx.

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    I love metal ballads, love keyboards, love audience participation and chants (as long as they don't last too long and aren't in every song) and love a good metal acoustic set

    But I love folk metal and prefer melodic dm/bm so I guess this is why it differs

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    Metal shouldn't have rules. And you've got to manyt kinds of metal so you can't say if it's metal or not if it's too soft or if there are keyboards in it. It's only my opinion.

    Metal is a belief in my way of thinking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KISSandCooper View Post
    Metal shouldn't have rules. And you've got to manyt kinds of metal so you can't say if it's metal or not if it's too soft or if there are keyboards in it. It's only my opinion.

    Metal is a belief in my way of thinking!
    good point. After all, isnt part of metal (as a subculture, not just a type of music) about being against the mainstream, or at least different from it? In my mind, part of being a metalhead is being open minded. If we set such strict rules as to what is and isn't metal, then don't we loose that part of metal?
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